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		<title>By: Ahbab Aziz</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13895</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahbab Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.amardeshbd.com/dailynews/detail_news_index.php?NewsID=203004&amp;NewsType=bistarito&amp;SectionID=home&amp;KQT=XLKVLYFU

To add to my earlier comments, if a partisan person, like Mahmudur Rahman, can come out with the truth as the above link shows, isn&#039;t it too pessimistic to doubt viability and success of a campaign for &#039;no&#039; vote?</description>
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<p>To add to my earlier comments, if a partisan person, like Mahmudur Rahman, can come out with the truth as the above link shows, isn&#8217;t it too pessimistic to doubt viability and success of a campaign for &#8216;no&#8217; vote?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahbab Aziz</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13894</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahbab Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The option of &#039;no&#039; vote is the best tangible thing the present govt. has managed to provide so far. Why? Because if &#039;no&#039; gets more votes than any symbol, polls will be re-held, and then political parties will be forced to field cleaner candidates. I believe &#039;no&#039; vote gives a golden opportunity to the citizens to change the status quo in Bangladesh, to turn it into a democracy, as all are simply frustrated with the activities of the existing political parties. However, the thing is, obviously, who are the takers for campaign for &#039;no&#039; vote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The option of &#8216;no&#8217; vote is the best tangible thing the present govt. has managed to provide so far. Why? Because if &#8216;no&#8217; gets more votes than any symbol, polls will be re-held, and then political parties will be forced to field cleaner candidates. I believe &#8216;no&#8217; vote gives a golden opportunity to the citizens to change the status quo in Bangladesh, to turn it into a democracy, as all are simply frustrated with the activities of the existing political parties. However, the thing is, obviously, who are the takers for campaign for &#8216;no&#8217; vote?</p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13892</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone is free to vote anyone, but here&#039;s the problems:
1)  A no-No candidate destroys the opportinity for one with no criminal records.
2)  we only get 1 election in 5 years,  so if we land with a criminal,  he/she destroys the nation for 5 years,  which takes decades to repair.  
3) between the 2 begums, how many people out of 100 million will say no to both?   only a handful!!

Folks, any anti-corrupt candidate PROPOSAL (no vote?) is good,  and thats what I am getting at,  and if thats carried out, then  MORE convicts and crooks  will be eliminated from the system.  
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And heres the good news from DS today,  looks like there is some nomination criteria after all.  We have some hope for the future  :)  :

[The nomination paper of Jatiya Party Chairman HM Ershad (Habiganj-3) was declared invalid as another aspirant filed nomination as a JP candidate for the same constituency, reports our correspondent from Habiganj.

The nomination of journalist Iqbal Sobhan Chowdhury, who filed nomination for Feni-1 as an AL candidate, was cancelled for defaulting on loans. The RO also cancelled nominations of eight candidates in different constituencies in Feni, reports our Feni Correspondent.

In Bhola, the nomination paper of BNP leader Hafiz Ibrahim, who filed nomination for Bhola-2 as an independent candidate, was cancelled on Wednesday as he was convicted in corruption cases. The RO also cancelled the nominations of four other candidates including Siddiqur Rahman Manna, assistant personal secretary of Dhaka city Mayor Sadeque Hossain Khoka, reports our correspondent from Bhola........]]

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=66206</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone is free to vote anyone, but here&#8217;s the problems:<br />
1)  A no-No candidate destroys the opportinity for one with no criminal records.<br />
2)  we only get 1 election in 5 years,  so if we land with a criminal,  he/she destroys the nation for 5 years,  which takes decades to repair.<br />
3) between the 2 begums, how many people out of 100 million will say no to both?   only a handful!!</p>
<p>Folks, any anti-corrupt candidate PROPOSAL (no vote?) is good,  and thats what I am getting at,  and if thats carried out, then  MORE convicts and crooks  will be eliminated from the system.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>And heres the good news from DS today,  looks like there is some nomination criteria after all.  We have some hope for the future  <img src='http://unheardvoice.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   :</p>
<p>[The nomination paper of Jatiya Party Chairman HM Ershad (Habiganj-3) was declared invalid as another aspirant filed nomination as a JP candidate for the same constituency, reports our correspondent from Habiganj.</p>
<p>The nomination of journalist Iqbal Sobhan Chowdhury, who filed nomination for Feni-1 as an AL candidate, was cancelled for defaulting on loans. The RO also cancelled nominations of eight candidates in different constituencies in Feni, reports our Feni Correspondent.</p>
<p>In Bhola, the nomination paper of BNP leader Hafiz Ibrahim, who filed nomination for Bhola-2 as an independent candidate, was cancelled on Wednesday as he was convicted in corruption cases. The RO also cancelled the nominations of four other candidates including Siddiqur Rahman Manna, assistant personal secretary of Dhaka city Mayor Sadeque Hossain Khoka, reports our correspondent from Bhola........]]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=66206" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=66206</a></p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13887</link>
		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgazi,

but ec filtering only suffocates new parties from breathing first breath and ensuring the depolyiment of a very *paki* sense of &#039;education&#039;.

the two begums should have been punished severely for their crimes and vanished from this sacred earth. but their accusers had no spine and legal forces had little competance. the least the EC can do is apply the rules to make hope more easy to visualise.

look at formula one racing, they change the rules all the time to keep it interesting. oh yeah, almost forgot, &quot;bengali muslims dont do institutions!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgazi,</p>
<p>but ec filtering only suffocates new parties from breathing first breath and ensuring the depolyiment of a very *paki* sense of &#8216;education&#8217;.</p>
<p>the two begums should have been punished severely for their crimes and vanished from this sacred earth. but their accusers had no spine and legal forces had little competance. the least the EC can do is apply the rules to make hope more easy to visualise.</p>
<p>look at formula one racing, they change the rules all the time to keep it interesting. oh yeah, almost forgot, &#8220;bengali muslims dont do institutions!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
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		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shah abdul hannan isnt a wannabe mp, so its not him running. Dhaka-17 sounds like a place that should be taken apart brick by brick according to the wish of Bhashani.

sal j jamal,
i wonder where the &#039;no&#039; option appears on the voting form and what symbol it has. i think it&#039;s symbol should be something deshis can associate with imagination and that the future isnt doomed to follow these 4 or 5 particular trails.

its like with atheism. the first part of shahada is &#039;no&#039;. the first part of a political future for bangladesh is with a &#039;no&#039;.

its about formalising that apathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shah abdul hannan isnt a wannabe mp, so its not him running. Dhaka-17 sounds like a place that should be taken apart brick by brick according to the wish of Bhashani.</p>
<p>sal j jamal,<br />
i wonder where the &#8216;no&#8217; option appears on the voting form and what symbol it has. i think it&#8217;s symbol should be something deshis can associate with imagination and that the future isnt doomed to follow these 4 or 5 particular trails.</p>
<p>its like with atheism. the first part of shahada is &#8216;no&#8217;. the first part of a political future for bangladesh is with a &#8216;no&#8217;.</p>
<p>its about formalising that apathy.</p>
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		<title>By: sal y jamal</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13882</link>
		<dc:creator>sal y jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sljamal : Dec 04, 2008 @1325 hrs BST

Fug, its a fantastic proposal about &quot;no campaign&quot;. a score of my chums and self are now entirely mesmerizing on this matter, as the majority are not even aware that such &quot;no&quot; vote provision exist hence, you will have a lot of promotion campaign works on your hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sljamal : Dec 04, 2008 @1325 hrs BST</p>
<p>Fug, its a fantastic proposal about &#8220;no campaign&#8221;. a score of my chums and self are now entirely mesmerizing on this matter, as the majority are not even aware that such &#8220;no&#8221; vote provision exist hence, you will have a lot of promotion campaign works on your hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Fariha</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13881</link>
		<dc:creator>Fariha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fug,

Could you check back and let me know??  As far as I know this Hannan is the army man.  Dhaka-17 is mostly Cantonment with Gulshan and Banani

Read it here http://www.newagebd.com/2008/dec/04/front.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fug,</p>
<p>Could you check back and let me know??  As far as I know this Hannan is the army man.  Dhaka-17 is mostly Cantonment with Gulshan and Banani</p>
<p>Read it here <a href="http://www.newagebd.com/2008/dec/04/front.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newagebd.com/2008/dec/04/front.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fariha</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13880</link>
		<dc:creator>Fariha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would a &quot;NO&quot; campaign mean, stay at home? It means simply this : we are exercising our democratic right, we are voting, but we won&#039;t vote for these men. get better candidates or you wont get our votes.

&quot; NO&quot; isn&#039;t &quot;let me think about it&quot; . NO means NO I DON&#039;T THINK EITHER DESERVE TO HAVE A SEAT IN OUR PARLIAMENT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a &#8220;NO&#8221; campaign mean, stay at home? It means simply this : we are exercising our democratic right, we are voting, but we won&#8217;t vote for these men. get better candidates or you wont get our votes.</p>
<p>&#8221; NO&#8221; isn&#8217;t &#8220;let me think about it&#8221; . NO means NO I DON&#8217;T THINK EITHER DESERVE TO HAVE A SEAT IN OUR PARLIAMENT</p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13878</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A no campaign would basically mean stay home.  In BD ballots, its either a or b, no  &quot;let me think about it&quot;!!

%  experiments have already been grandfathered in other election worlds,  no need to re-invent the wheel.  The results of those experiments is,  as I said  - the EC must filter the No-No&#039;s   out of the ballot,   otherwise people think these are &quot;qualified&quot;  candidates,   when in reality they are convict/crooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A no campaign would basically mean stay home.  In BD ballots, its either a or b, no  &#8220;let me think about it&#8221;!!</p>
<p>%  experiments have already been grandfathered in other election worlds,  no need to re-invent the wheel.  The results of those experiments is,  as I said  &#8211; the EC must filter the No-No&#8217;s   out of the ballot,   otherwise people think these are &#8220;qualified&#8221;  candidates,   when in reality they are convict/crooks.</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13872</link>
		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>get it right. its Shah Abdul Hannan. and he was set up and fell into shahriar kabir&#039;s public infantalisation trap.

jyoti, is anybody interested in taking the &#039;no&#039; campaign to the streets? I think it could be an initiative for Real Development Alternative. off the cuff people say they are all rubbish. and not necessarily the &#039;sophisticated ones.

a no campaign would be so much fun and educative, just like a Nader one. it wouldnt have the india&#039;s muppet, war criminal, autocratic, stupid baggage that current  campaigns have. it would bring together a lot of honourable people who refuse to allow themselves to be used and abused by the joker classes.

what would you do with said data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get it right. its Shah Abdul Hannan. and he was set up and fell into shahriar kabir&#8217;s public infantalisation trap.</p>
<p>jyoti, is anybody interested in taking the &#8216;no&#8217; campaign to the streets? I think it could be an initiative for Real Development Alternative. off the cuff people say they are all rubbish. and not necessarily the &#8217;sophisticated ones.</p>
<p>a no campaign would be so much fun and educative, just like a Nader one. it wouldnt have the india&#8217;s muppet, war criminal, autocratic, stupid baggage that current  campaigns have. it would bring together a lot of honourable people who refuse to allow themselves to be used and abused by the joker classes.</p>
<p>what would you do with said data?</p>
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		<title>By: Fariha</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13869</link>
		<dc:creator>Fariha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arif bhai,

This isn&#039;t the &quot;no civil war&quot; hannan shah. this is the other brigadier hannan shah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arif bhai,</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the &#8220;no civil war&#8221; hannan shah. this is the other brigadier hannan shah</p>
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		<title>By: jyoti</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13853</link>
		<dc:creator>jyoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fug is right.  Voting requires time and effort.  If a sizeable number of people take the trouble of standing in line for hours and then vote &#039;no&#039;, that will be a much stronger message than anything coming out of the chattering classes (including everyone in present company).  

I personally don&#039;t think we will see a sizeable &#039;no&#039; vote.  I think most voters choose a side, and most do so knowingly.  But it would be interesting to see exactly what %age of votes cast are for &#039;none of the above&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fug is right.  Voting requires time and effort.  If a sizeable number of people take the trouble of standing in line for hours and then vote &#8216;no&#8217;, that will be a much stronger message than anything coming out of the chattering classes (including everyone in present company).  </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t think we will see a sizeable &#8216;no&#8217; vote.  I think most voters choose a side, and most do so knowingly.  But it would be interesting to see exactly what %age of votes cast are for &#8216;none of the above&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fug,  EC must do the filtering, thats a fundamental requirement of democratic  elections,  for them to be free and fair.  No ifs and or buts.

You can expect handful of sophisticated voters to maybe abstain, but majority voters will pick  &#039;one of the above&#039; candidates -  most of whom are crooks or convicts (if EC doesnt  filter). This leads the nation and parliament to be inherently corrupt and criminal.  Back again to pre 1/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fug,  EC must do the filtering, thats a fundamental requirement of democratic  elections,  for them to be free and fair.  No ifs and or buts.</p>
<p>You can expect handful of sophisticated voters to maybe abstain, but majority voters will pick  &#8216;one of the above&#8217; candidates &#8211;  most of whom are crooks or convicts (if EC doesnt  filter). This leads the nation and parliament to be inherently corrupt and criminal.  Back again to pre 1/11.</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13832</link>
		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KGazi, Capitals hurt my eyes. The EC will do a kind of filtering, in a daft bureaucratic way, but &#039;the people&#039; need to show some moral initiative and political ethics also.

None of the above its much more ethical than not voting or voting for someone rubbish. it is actually a very &#039;progressive&#039; vote to make. It means you a) voice your concern, b) deny those parasites your blood c) create a political signal thats the equivalent of sticking two fingers up at the hopeless main players.

Apparently destroying these powerpoles physically and institutionally from the head personality down to the party worker, is &#039;barbaric&#039; and &#039;un democratic&#039;. None of the above is a more consensual, effette yet powerful way of doing the same.  dont give them your power folks, they are rubbish.

I think it needs to be publicised more, perhaps under some CARE sponsored &#039;youth&#039; directive or some inane &#039;talent&#039; show. That would get the message through. You could even interpret a &#039;none of the above&#039; vote to be a vote for the CTG with a bigger people&#039;s mandate. A strange electoral alliance indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KGazi, Capitals hurt my eyes. The EC will do a kind of filtering, in a daft bureaucratic way, but &#8216;the people&#8217; need to show some moral initiative and political ethics also.</p>
<p>None of the above its much more ethical than not voting or voting for someone rubbish. it is actually a very &#8216;progressive&#8217; vote to make. It means you a) voice your concern, b) deny those parasites your blood c) create a political signal thats the equivalent of sticking two fingers up at the hopeless main players.</p>
<p>Apparently destroying these powerpoles physically and institutionally from the head personality down to the party worker, is &#8216;barbaric&#8217; and &#8216;un democratic&#8217;. None of the above is a more consensual, effette yet powerful way of doing the same.  dont give them your power folks, they are rubbish.</p>
<p>I think it needs to be publicised more, perhaps under some CARE sponsored &#8216;youth&#8217; directive or some inane &#8216;talent&#8217; show. That would get the message through. You could even interpret a &#8216;none of the above&#8217; vote to be a vote for the CTG with a bigger people&#8217;s mandate. A strange electoral alliance indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahbab Aziz</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2008/11/28/the-nomination-drama-or-why-bnp-may-yet-surprise-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-13825</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahbab Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumi,

If equating Khaleda and Hasina is glorifying 1/11, then of course I glorified 1/11. If supporting a level playing field before election is glorifying Gen. Moeen, then surely I glorified 1/11.  

I still believe 1/11 has forced the polity, for the first time, to recognize corruption as the no.1 issue / problem facing the nation. However, how could I glorify 1/11 as the present govt. never came anywhere near creating a level playing field?  So, I have no reason to hide &#039;under 1000 feet earth now&#039;. Rather, its people like you who should do so for delivering gospel in support of the pre-1/11 Mafia-rule, masquerading as democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumi,</p>
<p>If equating Khaleda and Hasina is glorifying 1/11, then of course I glorified 1/11. If supporting a level playing field before election is glorifying Gen. Moeen, then surely I glorified 1/11.  </p>
<p>I still believe 1/11 has forced the polity, for the first time, to recognize corruption as the no.1 issue / problem facing the nation. However, how could I glorify 1/11 as the present govt. never came anywhere near creating a level playing field?  So, I have no reason to hide &#8216;under 1000 feet earth now&#8217;. Rather, its people like you who should do so for delivering gospel in support of the pre-1/11 Mafia-rule, masquerading as democracy.</p>
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