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		<title>By: Arif</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14725</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14717</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is BD govt violation in Trust Bank, on management or admin, then BDesh Bank  would get together and take action.  

With new democratic govt, let  the NEW  ACC, NBR and Finance Ministry take take action if there is any private-bank violation.  Thats what ACC was established for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is BD govt violation in Trust Bank, on management or admin, then BDesh Bank  would get together and take action.  </p>
<p>With new democratic govt, let  the NEW  ACC, NBR and Finance Ministry take take action if there is any private-bank violation.  Thats what ACC was established for.</p>
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		<title>By: tacit</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust Bank Management:

Chairman

General Moeen U Ahmed, ndc, psc
Chief of Army Staff, Bangladesh Army

Vice Chairman

Maj Gen Md Matiur Rahman, ndu, psc 
Adjutant General, Bangladesh Army


Directors

Brig Gen Md Zillur Rahman, MCPS, MSC
Brig Gen S M Mahbubul Karim
Brig Gen Md Rafiqul Islam, ndc, psc
Brig Gen Mahbubul Hasan, ndc, psc
Professor Md. Abdullah
Brig Gen Md Nazrul Hasan	 


Managing Director
Mr. Iqbal U Ahmed

http://www.trustbank.com.bd/directors.php</description>
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<p>Chairman</p>
<p>General Moeen U Ahmed, ndc, psc<br />
Chief of Army Staff, Bangladesh Army</p>
<p>Vice Chairman</p>
<p>Maj Gen Md Matiur Rahman, ndu, psc<br />
Adjutant General, Bangladesh Army</p>
<p>Directors</p>
<p>Brig Gen Md Zillur Rahman, MCPS, MSC<br />
Brig Gen S M Mahbubul Karim<br />
Brig Gen Md Rafiqul Islam, ndc, psc<br />
Brig Gen Mahbubul Hasan, ndc, psc<br />
Professor Md. Abdullah<br />
Brig Gen Md Nazrul Hasan	 </p>
<p>Managing Director<br />
Mr. Iqbal U Ahmed</p>
<p><a href="http://www.trustbank.com.bd/directors.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.trustbank.com.bd/directors.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14712</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tacit,  why no complain about CTG nepotism?  simply because:

1) CTG was a temporary bandage organisation, installed to enforce discipline in anarchic politics,  which was peaked by AL-BNP 2006.  They were not claiming to be ideal  &#039;democratic&#039;  body,   shining examples of anti-nepotism.

2) they were not democratically elected,  and were not flying the flag of DEMOCRACY,  to demonstrate an example of governance.  

3) their goal was NOT to set the &quot;code of ethics&quot;  for selection of parliamentary cabinet members,  which an elected govt (like Hasina&#039;s ) must do.

4) they did not run parliament  with ministers, MPs,  or cabinet.  They were a bunch of officials, with no rival party, setup strictly to pave a better road to elected parliamentary governance, like a &#039;caretaker govt&#039;.

On the contrary, Hasina&#039;s govt is democratically ELECTED, they are the opposite of past CTG.  Hasina&#039;s govt is founded on the election, constitution, democracy, anti-corruption, and manifestos that were promised to people.  There is NO ROOM here for nepotism,  and that is why my &quot;avalanche of posts&quot;,  responding to questions.

B)  What about IU Ahmed,  tell us more.   Trust bank is a private bank, with Board of directors, governed by BD Bank,  what does that have to do with national parliamentary democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tacit,  why no complain about CTG nepotism?  simply because:</p>
<p>1) CTG was a temporary bandage organisation, installed to enforce discipline in anarchic politics,  which was peaked by AL-BNP 2006.  They were not claiming to be ideal  &#8216;democratic&#8217;  body,   shining examples of anti-nepotism.</p>
<p>2) they were not democratically elected,  and were not flying the flag of DEMOCRACY,  to demonstrate an example of governance.  </p>
<p>3) their goal was NOT to set the &#8220;code of ethics&#8221;  for selection of parliamentary cabinet members,  which an elected govt (like Hasina&#8217;s ) must do.</p>
<p>4) they did not run parliament  with ministers, MPs,  or cabinet.  They were a bunch of officials, with no rival party, setup strictly to pave a better road to elected parliamentary governance, like a &#8216;caretaker govt&#8217;.</p>
<p>On the contrary, Hasina&#8217;s govt is democratically ELECTED, they are the opposite of past CTG.  Hasina&#8217;s govt is founded on the election, constitution, democracy, anti-corruption, and manifestos that were promised to people.  There is NO ROOM here for nepotism,  and that is why my &#8220;avalanche of posts&#8221;,  responding to questions.</p>
<p>B)  What about IU Ahmed,  tell us more.   Trust bank is a private bank, with Board of directors, governed by BD Bank,  what does that have to do with national parliamentary democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: tacit</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14708</link>
		<dc:creator>tacit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kgazi, I do not agree with your definition of nepotism, but I think it is a valid standard to aspire to. It&#039;s probably the best standard, if not the most realistic standard.

But funny thing is, I don&#039;t remember seeing an avalanche of posts here from you when the military government formed its first cabinet of advisors, with almost half the cabinet and the head of the ACC belonging to one single family. I guess Lt. Gen. (rt) Hasan Mashud Chowdhury&#039;s resignation on charges of nepotism is late by two years, right?  

On the same note, what&#039;s your feeling about the current Managing Director of Trust Bank, a Mr. Iqbal U. Ahmed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kgazi, I do not agree with your definition of nepotism, but I think it is a valid standard to aspire to. It&#8217;s probably the best standard, if not the most realistic standard.</p>
<p>But funny thing is, I don&#8217;t remember seeing an avalanche of posts here from you when the military government formed its first cabinet of advisors, with almost half the cabinet and the head of the ACC belonging to one single family. I guess Lt. Gen. (rt) Hasan Mashud Chowdhury&#8217;s resignation on charges of nepotism is late by two years, right?  </p>
<p>On the same note, what&#8217;s your feeling about the current Managing Director of Trust Bank, a Mr. Iqbal U. Ahmed?</p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14703</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arif: says  “Let this woman [Hasina] run her cabinet in her own way.  Give her some time and then criticise.” 
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How much time should we give Hasina before she realizes her error?  5 years,  10 years?   By that time all damage by nepotism will be done,  and it will be too late for Bdesh to reverse the damage.  Havent we given our politicians enough time to realize those mistakes?

We cannot afford to miss the point that even if he was a Noble Prize winner,  he should be disqualified,  because of  one key problem -   family relation.   By definition, nepotism is “patronage bestowed, or favoritism shown on the basis of FAMILY relationship”,    it has nothing to do with skillset.

Nepotism is the single biggest cause of corruption =&gt; poverty in Bangladesh.

Remaining silent on this issue does not really help Hasina to reform Bdesh, it actually steers her, and AL, closer to failure.  Because, very likely she thinks the same way as Arif does, that because he is ‘foreign educated’, that  there is no nepotism or conflict of interest.  It is our duty to make sure that our leadership understands the major  mistakes of  governance,  right now -  just before the beginning of another 5-year term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arif: says  “Let this woman [Hasina] run her cabinet in her own way.  Give her some time and then criticise.”<br />
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<p>How much time should we give Hasina before she realizes her error?  5 years,  10 years?   By that time all damage by nepotism will be done,  and it will be too late for Bdesh to reverse the damage.  Havent we given our politicians enough time to realize those mistakes?</p>
<p>We cannot afford to miss the point that even if he was a Noble Prize winner,  he should be disqualified,  because of  one key problem &#8211;   family relation.   By definition, nepotism is “patronage bestowed, or favoritism shown on the basis of FAMILY relationship”,    it has nothing to do with skillset.</p>
<p>Nepotism is the single biggest cause of corruption =&gt; poverty in Bangladesh.</p>
<p>Remaining silent on this issue does not really help Hasina to reform Bdesh, it actually steers her, and AL, closer to failure.  Because, very likely she thinks the same way as Arif does, that because he is ‘foreign educated’, that  there is no nepotism or conflict of interest.  It is our duty to make sure that our leadership understands the major  mistakes of  governance,  right now &#8211;  just before the beginning of another 5-year term.</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14702</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kgazi,

No comments. It is pointless to argue with you. 

Fug,
Fazle Abed appointed her own daughter in charge of his fashion houses. BIG DEAL.

But that is not the point. KM is no less than any of the new members of SH&#039;s cabinet. Hence, his relation with SH is not an issue of nepotism. If Hasina had appointed someone random from her family in the cabinet then i would have understand your problem.

Fug, your frustration comes from your defeat. You will pick anything to fight against SH&#039;s newly elected government. Let this woman run her cabinet in her own way. Give her some time and then criticise. I can see this is too much to ask from Kgazi, is it too much to ask from you as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kgazi,</p>
<p>No comments. It is pointless to argue with you. </p>
<p>Fug,<br />
Fazle Abed appointed her own daughter in charge of his fashion houses. BIG DEAL.</p>
<p>But that is not the point. KM is no less than any of the new members of SH&#8217;s cabinet. Hence, his relation with SH is not an issue of nepotism. If Hasina had appointed someone random from her family in the cabinet then i would have understand your problem.</p>
<p>Fug, your frustration comes from your defeat. You will pick anything to fight against SH&#8217;s newly elected government. Let this woman run her cabinet in her own way. Give her some time and then criticise. I can see this is too much to ask from Kgazi, is it too much to ask from you as well?</p>
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		<title>By: M M Chowdhury</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14699</link>
		<dc:creator>M M Chowdhury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sal y jamal, my whole argument was aboout reduced international price  for food and materials, not because AL came to power.  AL trying to fool people using the slogan than price has reduced becase of them.  I believe that AL is wrong and our uneducated general people signing the same song with AL.  Just my 2 cents

--M M Chowdhury</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sal y jamal, my whole argument was aboout reduced international price  for food and materials, not because AL came to power.  AL trying to fool people using the slogan than price has reduced becase of them.  I believe that AL is wrong and our uneducated general people signing the same song with AL.  Just my 2 cents</p>
<p>&#8211;M M Chowdhury</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14696</link>
		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arif, it wasnt really an imaginary example CRAP is BRAC, Fazle Abed is Fazle Abedin.

KZ&#039;z nepotism was her downfall. SHW could do better, though to be fair i have no expectations or illusions. the bangladeshi people were sadly mistaken, they failed to vote &#039;no&#039; in sufficient numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arif, it wasnt really an imaginary example CRAP is BRAC, Fazle Abed is Fazle Abedin.</p>
<p>KZ&#8217;z nepotism was her downfall. SHW could do better, though to be fair i have no expectations or illusions. the bangladeshi people were sadly mistaken, they failed to vote &#8216;no&#8217; in sufficient numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: jyoti</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14695</link>
		<dc:creator>jyoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy I am glad that I am not related to Asif, Rumi bhai, Naeem or any other DP writers.  Otherwise I too would be beneficiary of nepotism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy I am glad that I am not related to Asif, Rumi bhai, Naeem or any other DP writers.  Otherwise I too would be beneficiary of nepotism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14691</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s  right -  I dont understand Arif&#039;s  formula of nepotism:   
Select family members as cabinet ministers,  and then say &quot;they are &#039;foreign educated&#039; therefore its not nepotism&quot;  !!  

We hope Hasina will reform herself on this issue also, and realize that it&#039;s classic nepotism.  She will be wise enough to remove family members from Cabinet,  for the interest of the nation, and for her determination against anti-corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s  right &#8211;  I dont understand Arif&#8217;s  formula of nepotism:<br />
Select family members as cabinet ministers,  and then say &#8220;they are &#8216;foreign educated&#8217; therefore its not nepotism&#8221;  !!  </p>
<p>We hope Hasina will reform herself on this issue also, and realize that it&#8217;s classic nepotism.  She will be wise enough to remove family members from Cabinet,  for the interest of the nation, and for her determination against anti-corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: sal y jamal</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14690</link>
		<dc:creator>sal y jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said, mm chy about the food prices, i may have missed your point altogether as i find that, you hv completely ignored the drastic fall of fuel price almost by 3oo% in the international market.

the other day our hon&#039;ble commerce minister Mr. Faruk Khan categorically stated that, once fuel prices are reduced there will be drastic fall in prices of commodities and foodgrains.  perhaps to sabotage this healthy prediction a couple of bureaucrats stammering like clowns were let loose on the tv screens last night declaring to reduce prices by Tk.2/- per Litre, Kerosene/Diesel, completely ignoring octane/petrol!!!
pray why these jokers with such funny attitudes are allowed to indulge in this callous game???

hv a nice day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, mm chy about the food prices, i may have missed your point altogether as i find that, you hv completely ignored the drastic fall of fuel price almost by 3oo% in the international market.</p>
<p>the other day our hon&#8217;ble commerce minister Mr. Faruk Khan categorically stated that, once fuel prices are reduced there will be drastic fall in prices of commodities and foodgrains.  perhaps to sabotage this healthy prediction a couple of bureaucrats stammering like clowns were let loose on the tv screens last night declaring to reduce prices by Tk.2/- per Litre, Kerosene/Diesel, completely ignoring octane/petrol!!!<br />
pray why these jokers with such funny attitudes are allowed to indulge in this callous game???</p>
<p>hv a nice day!</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14688</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kgazi,
You are right. You dont understand what nepotism is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kgazi,<br />
You are right. You dont understand what nepotism is.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14686</link>
		<dc:creator>Kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arif,
Even if he was a Nobel Prize winner with Engineering degree from abroad, and the best MP that Bdesh ever had, and the most honest,  the fact that he is RELATED to Sk Hasina makes him a case of Nepotism,  because, she selected HIM to be her minister.  

No matter how good the intentions of Hasina (and I wish AL the best),  the govt dealings, parliament events, and perception of the public and governance,  will ALWAYS see him as a  conflict of interest.  Thats like the case when Benazir Bhutto (gbhs) appointed her own husband to be Industry minister, because he was a billionaire.   That was also classic nepotism.

It is obvious that many of us dont understand what is nepotism, and how does this KM case apply to nepotism examples.  Bdesh is totally flooded with nepotism in EVERY single office, business, school, govt and industry -  because  &quot;Nepotism&quot; is so widely misunderstood as a problem,  therefore widely ignored.  

We probably need to introduce nationwide anti-nepotism laws in Bdesh,  as our KEY move to anti-corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arif,<br />
Even if he was a Nobel Prize winner with Engineering degree from abroad, and the best MP that Bdesh ever had, and the most honest,  the fact that he is RELATED to Sk Hasina makes him a case of Nepotism,  because, she selected HIM to be her minister.  </p>
<p>No matter how good the intentions of Hasina (and I wish AL the best),  the govt dealings, parliament events, and perception of the public and governance,  will ALWAYS see him as a  conflict of interest.  Thats like the case when Benazir Bhutto (gbhs) appointed her own husband to be Industry minister, because he was a billionaire.   That was also classic nepotism.</p>
<p>It is obvious that many of us dont understand what is nepotism, and how does this KM case apply to nepotism examples.  Bdesh is totally flooded with nepotism in EVERY single office, business, school, govt and industry &#8211;  because  &#8220;Nepotism&#8221; is so widely misunderstood as a problem,  therefore widely ignored.  </p>
<p>We probably need to introduce nationwide anti-nepotism laws in Bdesh,  as our KEY move to anti-corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/01/07/al-start/comment-page-1/#comment-14684</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fug,

Why dont you give me a political example? That imaginary analogy is more nonsensical than your previous comment.

We dont have to go to Sheikh Mujib&#039;s rule to understand effect of nepotism. We can look at Khaleda Zia and that is enough.

But question is how single KM is an example of nepotism? He is a qualified elected parliamentarian, who did not went against sheikh hasina during CTG. He has every reason to get that appointment. Political appointments are not similar to talent hunt. No harm done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fug,</p>
<p>Why dont you give me a political example? That imaginary analogy is more nonsensical than your previous comment.</p>
<p>We dont have to go to Sheikh Mujib&#8217;s rule to understand effect of nepotism. We can look at Khaleda Zia and that is enough.</p>
<p>But question is how single KM is an example of nepotism? He is a qualified elected parliamentarian, who did not went against sheikh hasina during CTG. He has every reason to get that appointment. Political appointments are not similar to talent hunt. No harm done.</p>
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