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		<title>By: Udayan</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16580</link>
		<dc:creator>Udayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had assumed that was a sarcastic post. Or written under a pseudonym. Perhaps no-one has responded as it was not to  be taken seriously.</description>
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		<title>By: Dhaka Shohor</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16577</link>
		<dc:creator>Dhaka Shohor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well here&#039;s a few of the things I wish to see in the next 38 years myself. If a few of these sound like fug&#039;s list, well that&#039;s because it was partly &quot;inspired&quot; by it. If people find too much of a Muslim flavour to it, well, that&#039;s the mileu I grew up in.
 
§  Laws that allow and protect the right of women – the other 50% of Bangladesh – to inheritances equal to that of their brothers or other male family members.
§  Literacy rates close to 100%
§  A country where violence to settle disputes is such a major exception that the party in power apologises to the people for any violent act by any of its affiliated wings.
§  A political religious culture where real , tuned ideas can form and be translated by organisations without reliance on duffer ideas and funds from white Arab powers.
§  In the same vein: a day when Bangladeshi Muslims have no doubts that turning towards Riyadh, Manama or Doha is very different from turning towards Makkah. AKA Strengthening of religiosity in some parts of religious society.
§  No ministry/department for expatriate affairs because all Bangladeshis abroad are given rapid assistance by the Foreign Ministry through our incredibly efficient embassy staff abroad and, besides, Bangladeshis don’t migrate as much anyway because of the flourishing employment opportunities at home.
§  Bangladesh is known around the world as a pioneer in the widespread use of non-fossil fuel based energy – whether renewable or not. (This is not a global warming concern.)
§  Universal laughter greets any overt or covert attempt at military rule because everyone knows that that is not how we do it in Bangladesh. The protagonists behind such a move resign immediately to write Humayun Ahmed-style farces, and are never given book deals/newspaper space to write about truth commissions and food security.
§  A religious intelligentsia fluent with religion and the people instead of giving themselves up to “culture wars” rhetoric – e.g. the imam of the local mosque gave a khutba at the jumma prayers before February 14th against Valentine’s day. Not once have I heard him talk about the open garbage dump in front of the entrance to his mosque, which probably cause more harm than some weird pink day.
§  Bangladeshis, regardless of religion, race, class are allowed to travel through/walk into the areas/buildings their tax money builds for those who rule and protect them, be it the Shongshod Bhobon, Cantonment, Pilkhana or Secretariat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well here&#8217;s a few of the things I wish to see in the next 38 years myself. If a few of these sound like fug&#8217;s list, well that&#8217;s because it was partly &#8220;inspired&#8221; by it. If people find too much of a Muslim flavour to it, well, that&#8217;s the mileu I grew up in.</p>
<p>§  Laws that allow and protect the right of women – the other 50% of Bangladesh – to inheritances equal to that of their brothers or other male family members.<br />
§  Literacy rates close to 100%<br />
§  A country where violence to settle disputes is such a major exception that the party in power apologises to the people for any violent act by any of its affiliated wings.<br />
§  A political religious culture where real , tuned ideas can form and be translated by organisations without reliance on duffer ideas and funds from white Arab powers.<br />
§  In the same vein: a day when Bangladeshi Muslims have no doubts that turning towards Riyadh, Manama or Doha is very different from turning towards Makkah. AKA Strengthening of religiosity in some parts of religious society.<br />
§  No ministry/department for expatriate affairs because all Bangladeshis abroad are given rapid assistance by the Foreign Ministry through our incredibly efficient embassy staff abroad and, besides, Bangladeshis don’t migrate as much anyway because of the flourishing employment opportunities at home.<br />
§  Bangladesh is known around the world as a pioneer in the widespread use of non-fossil fuel based energy – whether renewable or not. (This is not a global warming concern.)<br />
§  Universal laughter greets any overt or covert attempt at military rule because everyone knows that that is not how we do it in Bangladesh. The protagonists behind such a move resign immediately to write Humayun Ahmed-style farces, and are never given book deals/newspaper space to write about truth commissions and food security.<br />
§  A religious intelligentsia fluent with religion and the people instead of giving themselves up to “culture wars” rhetoric – e.g. the imam of the local mosque gave a khutba at the jumma prayers before February 14th against Valentine’s day. Not once have I heard him talk about the open garbage dump in front of the entrance to his mosque, which probably cause more harm than some weird pink day.<br />
§  Bangladeshis, regardless of religion, race, class are allowed to travel through/walk into the areas/buildings their tax money builds for those who rule and protect them, be it the Shongshod Bhobon, Cantonment, Pilkhana or Secretariat.</p>
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		<title>By: Brothers A-A-A</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16575</link>
		<dc:creator>Brothers A-A-A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I wonder how people would have reacted if someone were to write a comment like &#039;Bangla is a drawback and we should return to Pakistan&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I wonder how people would have reacted if someone were to write a comment like &#8216;Bangla is a drawback and we should return to Pakistan&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Bangladesh: Independence Day</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16572</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Bangladesh: Independence Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the occasion of the 38th birth anniversary of Bangladesh, Unheard Voice lists 10 remarkable events for pre-independence and post independence eras each.        Cancel this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rafiq Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16560</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafiq Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Abul Kashem. Most Bangladeshi politicians, businessmen and other members of the ruling classes are only interested in privatizing their gains and socializing their losses with the poor people, thereby keeping the country backward and underdeveloped indefinitely. We are much better off being a part of India as proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Abul Kashem. Most Bangladeshi politicians, businessmen and other members of the ruling classes are only interested in privatizing their gains and socializing their losses with the poor people, thereby keeping the country backward and underdeveloped indefinitely. We are much better off being a part of India as proposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashraf Hossain</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16555</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashraf Hossain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akash,

What else can I say, thanks a lot.

A Freedom Fighter in Exile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akash,</p>
<p>What else can I say, thanks a lot.</p>
<p>A Freedom Fighter in Exile</p>
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		<title>By: Akash</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16551</link>
		<dc:creator>Akash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bangladesh is the only postcolonial country to gain independence through a successful liberation war.  We may be a fractious nation but we can also make the improbable happen.  I do wish to shout out something but without any partisan link but will all the ardor and intensity of our dynamic birth: Joi Bangla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangladesh is the only postcolonial country to gain independence through a successful liberation war.  We may be a fractious nation but we can also make the improbable happen.  I do wish to shout out something but without any partisan link but will all the ardor and intensity of our dynamic birth: Joi Bangla.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahbab Aziz</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahbab Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think not only Dhaka, the whole Bangladesh, ala India and other pseudo-democratic countries, is simmering with anger, borne out of the omnipresent injustice and double standard, and this anger is spreading slowly but surely with every passing day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think not only Dhaka, the whole Bangladesh, ala India and other pseudo-democratic countries, is simmering with anger, borne out of the omnipresent injustice and double standard, and this anger is spreading slowly but surely with every passing day.</p>
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		<title>By: SC</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16544</link>
		<dc:creator>SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this great day, a great reminder that we shall overcome all the darkness and we will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this great day, a great reminder that we shall overcome all the darkness and we will.</p>
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		<title>By: jyoti</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16543</link>
		<dc:creator>jyoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Agree with that observation.  Dhaka is a very angry city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Agree with that observation.  Dhaka is a very angry city.</p>
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		<title>By: Rakib</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16541</link>
		<dc:creator>Rakib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this day, my respect to all who gave their life for the motherland. I found following write up in the paper. Worth reading. 

http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=136175&amp;sec=6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this day, my respect to all who gave their life for the motherland. I found following write up in the paper. Worth reading. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=136175&amp;sec=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=136175&amp;sec=6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ahbab Aziz</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/03/26/the-independence-day-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16539</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahbab Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jyoti,

I think the pivotal point, facing Bangladesh, is not that of haves vs. have nots. I do not wish to insinuate class struggle either, here. I think it is, rather, the rampant double standard, i.e., application of one policy for one or a few and another for the majority, which is alarmingly threatening to tear apart the socio-political fabric in Bangladesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jyoti,</p>
<p>I think the pivotal point, facing Bangladesh, is not that of haves vs. have nots. I do not wish to insinuate class struggle either, here. I think it is, rather, the rampant double standard, i.e., application of one policy for one or a few and another for the majority, which is alarmingly threatening to tear apart the socio-political fabric in Bangladesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Zafar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Zafar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bangladesh is the only country that fought a War of Independence against an invading conventional army and won it. Very few of us remember the hundreds of thousands of our ordinary fellow countrymen who laid down their lives to liberate the country.

We must not forget the innocent and brave sons of the soil lost on the 25th of March night genocide perpetrated by the savage Pakistani army. 

We must not forget for a moment the native collaborators of the barbarian Pakistani army who killed millions during the nine month long War. They must be tried and prosecuted according to the law of the land. 

We are a resilient nation. We have shown our resolve to move ahead in spite of natural and man-made disasters.

Bangladesh now has the strongest democracy in place since independence. It is only quality leadership that is needed to take Bangladesh to prosperity and progress in the next ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangladesh is the only country that fought a War of Independence against an invading conventional army and won it. Very few of us remember the hundreds of thousands of our ordinary fellow countrymen who laid down their lives to liberate the country.</p>
<p>We must not forget the innocent and brave sons of the soil lost on the 25th of March night genocide perpetrated by the savage Pakistani army. </p>
<p>We must not forget for a moment the native collaborators of the barbarian Pakistani army who killed millions during the nine month long War. They must be tried and prosecuted according to the law of the land. </p>
<p>We are a resilient nation. We have shown our resolve to move ahead in spite of natural and man-made disasters.</p>
<p>Bangladesh now has the strongest democracy in place since independence. It is only quality leadership that is needed to take Bangladesh to prosperity and progress in the next ten years.</p>
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		<title>By: Monsoon_Mist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monsoon_Mist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen! Great post and counter-comment, Jyoti!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! Great post and counter-comment, Jyoti!</p>
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		<title>By: jyoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>jyoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fug, amen to your wishes.  

Fug/Ahbab, the 2nd list was compiled by Rumi bhai.  The link to his original post wasn&#039;t working before.  Fixed now.

Ahbab, I don&#039;t have any data to back up those things.  But they don&#039;t sound far fetched.  In 2007, there were over 100,000 registered passenger vehicles (cars, 4wds, motor bikes), a five-fold increase since 1995.  I don&#039;t know how we can measure &#039;urban middle class&#039;, but the essence of Rumi bhai&#039;s point --- most urban middle class having access to family vehicle today, whereas this wasn&#039;t even dreamt of in the 1980s --- doesn&#039;t seem unreasonable.  As for the internet point, again, don&#039;t have any data.  But there are 43 million sims used in Bangladesh, most net compatible, and is pretty cheap.  Plus there are net cafes even in places like Sitakundu and Jamalpur.

On your point about the peaceful path to development being blocked, the story is more complicated than one might think.  On the one hand, it is definitely the case that we have seen a widening wealth gap between haves and have nots.  But this is only half the story.  Look at the haves.  Most wealthy Bangladeshis today (successful professionals/businessmen or corrupt politician/bureaucrat or whatever) has a relative in the rural heart of Bangladesh, and scratch the surface, and most of us have our roots in the rice fields.  

The last few generations (starting from the first quarter of 20th century, boosted by partition, and fully blooming after liberation) have seen a lot of former have nots becoming haves.  This is something often overlooked in our collective moaning and ha hutash.  The question really is, will today&#039;s have nots get the same chance that the parents of today&#039;s haves did?  Or more importantly, do today&#039;s have nots believe that their future will be better?

If the answer is &#039;yes&#039;, then peaceful path to development is not blocked.  If the answer is &#039;no&#039;, then we have a problem.  

My personal observation --- which is not substitute for any rigorous survey (but then, no one has done one, so it&#039;s not like I can be proved wrong) --- is that the have not overwhelmingly believes in the possibility of a better tomorrow.  The lady who works as a bua today is sending her daughter to school so that she can learn and get a job in a factory.  The guy who is working as a helper in the local garriage is saving money to buy to open his own shop someday.  I look at these and I don&#039;t see class war and revolution, I see the spirit of liberty and unbound Prometheus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fug, amen to your wishes.  </p>
<p>Fug/Ahbab, the 2nd list was compiled by Rumi bhai.  The link to his original post wasn&#8217;t working before.  Fixed now.</p>
<p>Ahbab, I don&#8217;t have any data to back up those things.  But they don&#8217;t sound far fetched.  In 2007, there were over 100,000 registered passenger vehicles (cars, 4wds, motor bikes), a five-fold increase since 1995.  I don&#8217;t know how we can measure &#8216;urban middle class&#8217;, but the essence of Rumi bhai&#8217;s point &#8212; most urban middle class having access to family vehicle today, whereas this wasn&#8217;t even dreamt of in the 1980s &#8212; doesn&#8217;t seem unreasonable.  As for the internet point, again, don&#8217;t have any data.  But there are 43 million sims used in Bangladesh, most net compatible, and is pretty cheap.  Plus there are net cafes even in places like Sitakundu and Jamalpur.</p>
<p>On your point about the peaceful path to development being blocked, the story is more complicated than one might think.  On the one hand, it is definitely the case that we have seen a widening wealth gap between haves and have nots.  But this is only half the story.  Look at the haves.  Most wealthy Bangladeshis today (successful professionals/businessmen or corrupt politician/bureaucrat or whatever) has a relative in the rural heart of Bangladesh, and scratch the surface, and most of us have our roots in the rice fields.  </p>
<p>The last few generations (starting from the first quarter of 20th century, boosted by partition, and fully blooming after liberation) have seen a lot of former have nots becoming haves.  This is something often overlooked in our collective moaning and ha hutash.  The question really is, will today&#8217;s have nots get the same chance that the parents of today&#8217;s haves did?  Or more importantly, do today&#8217;s have nots believe that their future will be better?</p>
<p>If the answer is &#8216;yes&#8217;, then peaceful path to development is not blocked.  If the answer is &#8216;no&#8217;, then we have a problem.  </p>
<p>My personal observation &#8212; which is not substitute for any rigorous survey (but then, no one has done one, so it&#8217;s not like I can be proved wrong) &#8212; is that the have not overwhelmingly believes in the possibility of a better tomorrow.  The lady who works as a bua today is sending her daughter to school so that she can learn and get a job in a factory.  The guy who is working as a helper in the local garriage is saving money to buy to open his own shop someday.  I look at these and I don&#8217;t see class war and revolution, I see the spirit of liberty and unbound Prometheus.</p>
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