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26 Responses to “How worried should we be?”

1. Mohammad says:

   November 14, 2009 at 8:14 pm

   What is interesting of your post is your comment which says that Police found LeT network few months after Mohajote Govt came to power ! In fact India was suggesting existance of LeT network in Bangladesh for years ! Even one of India’s Most wanted Mufti Obaidullah who was taken into custody few months back reportedly said that LeT is active in Bangladesh for last 14 years !! Here is one Indian report :

   ” PTI / Decmber 03 / 2006NEW DELHI: The Centre is seriously concerned over Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed using territory and elements in Bangladesh and Nepal for movement of terrorists and finances. The modus operandi is recruitment of Indian youths by LeT and Bangladesh-based Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJAI-BD) for training in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and then sending them back to India for sabotage and subversive activities.

   “These outfits are well organised, interlinked and have the latest hardware and communication equipment,” according to a paper prepared by the Union Home Ministry on internal security situation.

   Investigations into recent terror attacks including the July Mumbai blasts, Varanasi serial blasts in March and the attack on the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore last December have indicated increased use of Bangladeshi territory by ISI-backed terrorist groups and the growing terror net- working of Bangladeshi fundamentalist groups with LeT and JeM. According to intelligence sources, in all these attacks, suspected terrorists had infiltrated from across the Indo-Bangladesh border. ”

   We should investigate , why it took such long time for police to make a break thru even after getting leads in the international media ??

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2. Akash says:

   November 15, 2009 at 4:18 am

   Why we never found out about LeT? Just like Bangla Bhai, and just like rise of Islamic militants, the network of LeT must be a figment of our imagination!

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   banglababa Reply:
   November 17th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

   how would you expect to find anything given the fact that character like Babor was our intelligence chief for the better part of the 21st century!

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3. kgazi says:

   November 15, 2009 at 11:35 pm

   We should be glad they have been caught.
   But yes We should be worried, notsomuch that they exist, because they always existed – but we should be worried whether our law enforcement & intel machine is upto the mark to overthrow them.

   In a world of politico-religious frustration, where lunatics and fanatics crawl, its even more critical that **crime-prevention laws** & **law-enforcement** must be AHEAD of their game. The days-old system of pre 1947 police and tthola-bahini intelligence are not good enough any more to stop these pranksters.

   We should be worried whether our nation (govt) is capable of improving our anti-crime systems.

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4. a arzu says:

   November 16, 2009 at 7:05 am

   Although fringe groups exist in all countries, all indications are the above characters developed a strong foothold in our country due to active sponsorship from our past “democratically’ elected government.

   When the full power of the state is engaged in destroying political opponents by any means it is hardly surprising that they allowed unsavory militant organizations to operate in our country with impunity.

   Many leading BNP leaders, Hawa Bhaban and it’s master Tarique Zia now stand accused of directly supporting domestic miscreants and associating with international outlaws.

   I suspect Hasina might do a grand bargain with Khaleda and gong, allowing her closest and dearest to escape punishment in return for having a puppet opposition. This will allow the AL to be in power indefinitely but with a democratic facade.

   In a way it may be good for the country, although I despise both parties given the choice I think Hasina will put more effort in developing the country. IMO Tarique took over the role of running the BNP many years ago, which is why in his absence Khaleda is having a difficult time in reforming the BNP.

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5. putool says:

   November 16, 2009 at 10:23 am

   hi kgazi,

   we shud definitely be worried not because as you said above that, our law enforcement agencies &/or intel agencies are not up to the mark. in fact the 10 truck arms haul statement of mr. shahabuddin of NSI crystal clearly manifests that,
   both; NSI & DGFI were thoroughly infiltrated accusing major gen. rakazul haider chy and major gen,. abdur rahim being hand in glove with the isi of pak. how the dgfi office & vehicles were under isi thumb, how these guys were taken to the mid-east on sojourns etc. for establishing TV Channels.

   we can therefore, safely conclude that, our other intelligence units are also more or less compromised, deliberately on consideration of the honey sweet lucre better than wife & dearer than life. come to think of the entire matter despite such overwhelming accusations against both these major generals silence, overall has become golden. apparently, these guys NOW must be passing golden days in “bay-haal-tabeyet along with their isi mentor scourges still plotting and scheming for massive bloody days ahead”.

   have a nice day, take care!

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   kgazi Reply:
   November 16th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

   Putool,
   The fact that our “other intelligence units” and our govt officers themselves are involved in ‘terrorism’ and anti-national acts means there are INSIDER activity and criminality, cooking within the govt machine. That adds another dimension to the disastrous crisis in our ‘law enforcement’ vacuum.

   It means, our govt is not only incompetent in law enforcement, but could also be our worst enemy, possibly worse than the lunatics.
   We should be VERY worried.

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   akash Reply:
   November 17th, 2009 at 11:23 am

   Our government officers?? Don’t be wishy-washy. Be clear about which government you are talking about. The last BNP-Jamaat was the worst form of governance, if you can call it governance at all, in the history of the country. They not only raped the country economically, they let in LeT, Huji, ISI and whatever outfits could infiltrate our innermost sanctuaries. Talk about whoring the country over! Are we worried? We are damn worried. God alone knows what else that criminal outfit – BNP-Jamaat – did to the country.

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   fugstar Reply:
   November 17th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

   LeT and whotnot could be said to have been operating in a backwards linkage sort of way since the Afghan Jihad.

   some of this recent criminal stuff will be from the rubbisher end of those networks. , the better part of the history of which many redblooded muslims in bangladesh are proud. No, i don’t think its about a particular government letting them in.

   Bangladeshis voted away from westoxification after 11/9/2001. Bush prosecuted wars against two predominantly muslim countries that were already on their knees. Bangladesh the nation state stood there like it does, generally weakly and with a begging bowl (and siphon).

   so of course there would be religio-political frustration. especially by those who do not define their status by suckling on white power.

   Mohammad Reply:
   November 16th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

   ” both; NSI & DGFI were thoroughly infiltrated ” – Nothing surprising here. This happens with with every intelligence agencies around the world. What is worrisome is, apparent politicization of our intelligence or surveilance agencies. BDR massacre , attack on Taposh exemplifies the failures of our security net and use of intelligence. We probably have no capacity or capability in the counter intelligence field. As I mentioned in my prev post , our intelligence community were aware of LeT existance for years but probably made no effort to INFILTRATE LeT instead they themselves got infested b

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6. banglababa says:

   November 17, 2009 at 7:29 am

   from a reliable army source :

   “BMF intel special
   ISI on the run as Operation ***** continues

   All ISI outfits in Bangladesh have been cornered . Most members of this organizations have captured or killed . The rest have fled. Operation ***** is on round the clock and all over the country. More ISI agents have been captured in the last 24 hours and it is same case everyday. It is estimated that as many as several hundred members of the Pakistani army ( and ISI) were present in the country at the beginning of this year and this number has now came down to just below one hundred. This is a huge success of the government agencies in their anti terror dive.”

   As you can see, our concerning the ISI menace has become.

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7. putool says:

   November 17, 2009 at 11:21 am

   hi babba,

   your concluding line “s u cn c, our concerning isi menace has become.” with an emotive yellow moon sign meaning??? of which, is pretty perplexing!!! pls do elaborate also, how do you fix these emotives???

   also this abbreviations “bmf ****** no offense here!!! i’m just curious yellow so, dear baba pray, do pl enlighten me!!!

   while i keep my fingers crossed with bated breath till 19/11 midnight only after which, i shl gv credit to yr “intel special”

   hv a great day, take care!!!

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   banglababa Reply:
   November 17th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

   sorry, my mistake : I mean to say “How” concerning the ISI menace has become! The bleeping “***” indicates that this is still a very classified operation not yet been disclosed to the public. I’ll keep you inform as more info become available.

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8. maysoon says:

   November 17, 2009 at 11:33 am

   Hi Mohamad,

   If these NSI & DGFI are both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation as you so write, why then spend in billions to run these monkey businesses, for stabbing the back of our nation??? in other words doesn’t their sacrilegous entity speaks volumes against our i q inadequacy to allow these obscene scourges to indulge in bloody orgies @ regular, frequent intervals??? i definitely mean,15 aug,aug 21, udichi bombings etc., & what not? you name it!!!

   also wht about the ensuing 19/11 banghabandhu sc verdict scheduled with blanket security thrown over the entire capital & the suburbs???

   do take care!!!

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   Mohammad Reply:
   November 17th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

   maysoon ,

   “If these NSI & DGFI are both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation as you so write, why then spend in billions to run these monkey businesses, for stabbing the back of our nation??? ” Valid question but where have you found that I have written ” both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation ” ?

   What I wanted to get at is infiltrating enemy lines, counter intelligence, counter espionage or counter-counter intellenge are pretty common in the world scene. It’s used as a tool to combat enemy. Like the Srilankan forces finally succeeded in infiltrating LTTE front line. It’s an Open secret that ISI, RAW , CIA , MOSSAD etc are active in Bangladesh. It’s not unlikely that they have infiltrated , penetrated our political and security communities. The success of War against the militants depends on our counter measures based on usable information on their modus operandi ! We need to know how they operate. A very old saying goes like that, it’s difficult to keep a guard on a thief because the thief is keeping eyes on you ! Failure to infiltrate militants will help them grow.

   Politicization of security and intelligence communities remain a major concern for the country. Whole set up of these intelligence agencies are replaced with the change of government. The process disrupts the continuity of intelligence data collection and implementation. At times the data is lost. Dramatic changes of objectives and goals happens overnight. The whole state machinery is used for staying in power or for political gains. Take for example Aug 15. Is it a mere intelligence failure ? What about command failure ? A major political failure ? Treachery ? It’s bit of everything . Poor intelligence data is of no use. And for Quality intelligence we need professional set up free of poor and maligned political agenda. Our Honourable President has just pulled a fast one on our judicial process. Delivery of Justice is in question now. This is what the reality is, this is what our political culture is. If the same culture continues to prevail it will only promote growth of militants.

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9. kgazi says:

   November 17, 2009 at 9:24 pm

   ISI is not technically a terrorist org, like LeT etc, but more like CIA or RAW. ISI is the national intel org of Pak. The problem is ISI, CIA RAW are all connected, and right now CIA is funding millions to ISI, and treating ISI like a friend!!

   Read:
   http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia-pakistan15-2009nov15,0,7760987,full.story

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10. akash says:

    November 18, 2009 at 12:42 am

    Good question: From where does this blipping orgs like DGFI and NSI get their unbridled power. Well, think August 15, and how we ushered in a glorious military reign after the magnanimous action of the surya santans, and how since then the Paki-inclined military or militarised parasite will not go away.

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    a arzu Reply:
    November 18th, 2009 at 7:34 am

    They get their power from Your Khaleda and Hasina, whoever is in power uses them to harass the opposition and instill fear among their opponents. They are the tools of our so called democratic leaders.

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    Akash Reply:
    November 18th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    You are neither conversant with the political history of Bangladesh nor with the militarization of the country, and how parallel forces were allowed to run amok by certain government. The naive equation of the two leaders prove that.

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11. maysoon says:

    November 18, 2009 at 9:20 am

    hi mohd,

    you veritably answered to your own question abt treachery you raised in ur 1st paragraph vide ur last para, by questioning “Treachery?” its a bit of everything!!! recall mata hari??? or many such double agents??? when they are caught they are hanged or face the firing squad – as traitors, if not caught they melt into unmarked graves as unsung heros/heroines!!!

    kgazi ric :: insofar as isi is concerned like its mentor the cia its both; the mother & the father of creating/the king makers of terrorist organizations with their ultra secret budgets of trade,commerce & industries worth in billions!!! do criticize me again how i’m so wrong!!!

    take care!

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    kgazi Reply:
    November 18th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    hi maysoon/putool,
    but you are right , and as we see very clearly, its only in those nations where governance is worrisome (like afghan, pak, syria, iraq) that ISI-CIA type king-making is feasible.

    This is why, if we need to worry LESS @ such king-making, then BD governance needs to scale-up above the standards of pak-afghan-iraq levels, so that ISI-CIA cannot setup tent here. But has BD governance standards, in terms of law&order and crime-prevention, improved at all since 1971 (Pakistani standards)?? I would say NO, and that needs to change, inorder to prevent CIA_ISI settling here.

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12. maysoon says:

    November 18, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    hi kgazi,

    why only; pak,afghan,syria,iraq wht abt; india/bombay 2008, ussr now russia (1/15 of defunct ussr) eastern european countries,thailand you name it for the cia its panta baath & eeleesh!!! wht about 2001 usa’s 9/11 & uk’s 7/7 of 2008 taliban &/or al-qaeda’s mentors are not both; isi & cia???

    so, change or dynamics are of academic statistics when the enemy is bent on causing; bloodshed & utmost destruction!!! you still crave for proof open any channel the news of pak &/or afghan & you will wittness death/destruction bottom line of which is; by isi or against isi!!!

    take care!

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    kgazi Reply:
    November 19th, 2009 at 1:30 am

    token incidents will happen everywhere, even NY9/11, thai, china or india. And if governance is messy, then the TOKEN incidents will spread into lasting chaos, as in afghan pak, iraq. However if governance is SOLID, as in Malaysia Egypt or even Phillipines, then such token incidents are contained, and spread is controlled.

    The case of ISI in yr example, where isi seems to be “creating death/destruction”, thats an after-the-effect clean-up attempt – BECAUSE governance failed to contain the spread before (and after) it was uncontrollable. If Pak had solid governance, then extremism would not spread, and isi would not be “creating death/destruction”.

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13. Devils Talk says:

    November 18, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    We not only should worried about the present of these outsider extremists, we also should worry about the involvement of BD ppl who were brainwashed by these culprits.

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    Akash Reply:
    November 19th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Good point. But its not clear, between the outsider culprits and the homegrown, who feeds whom? But its for sure, there are plenty such national criminals who sit around in the evening and plot the next treachery. Unless they are cleaned off, no matter who is in power, there will be no moving forward. At least, the verdict today on the Mujib killers will show that law prevails even after thorty years.

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14. maysoon says:

    November 19, 2009 at 9:10 am

    hi kgazi,

    again i ask are not; u.k. & usa’s governance more solid than; egypt,malaysia,phillipines. in uk and usa terrirism & extremism are not spreading, @ all???

    its where terrorism & extremism can get shelter thru local connections e.g. in uk,usa,denmark,germany due to, existence of immigrant populations in those countries from indo-pak and arab countries. insofar as phillipines and egypt this phenomena doesn’t exist. in malaysia so some extent this exists so, there are few isolated cases!!!

    take care!

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