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		<title>By: Akash</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20284</link>
		<dc:creator>Akash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  But its not clear, between the outsider culprits and the homegrown, who feeds whom?  But its for sure, there are plenty such national criminals who sit around in the evening and plot the next treachery.  Unless they are cleaned off, no matter who is in power, there will be no moving forward.  At least, the verdict today on the Mujib killers will show that law prevails even after thorty years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  But its not clear, between the outsider culprits and the homegrown, who feeds whom?  But its for sure, there are plenty such national criminals who sit around in the evening and plot the next treachery.  Unless they are cleaned off, no matter who is in power, there will be no moving forward.  At least, the verdict today on the Mujib killers will show that law prevails even after thorty years.</p>
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		<title>By: maysoon</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20280</link>
		<dc:creator>maysoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi kgazi,

again i ask are not; u.k. &amp; usa&#039;s governance more solid than; egypt,malaysia,phillipines. in uk and usa terrirism &amp; extremism are not spreading, @ all???

its where terrorism &amp; extremism can get shelter thru local connections e.g. in uk,usa,denmark,germany due to, existence of immigrant populations in those countries from indo-pak and arab countries. insofar as phillipines and egypt this phenomena doesn&#039;t exist. in malaysia so some extent this exists so, there are few isolated cases!!!

take care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi kgazi,</p>
<p>again i ask are not; u.k. &amp; usa&#8217;s governance more solid than; egypt,malaysia,phillipines. in uk and usa terrirism &amp; extremism are not spreading, @ all???</p>
<p>its where terrorism &amp; extremism can get shelter thru local connections e.g. in uk,usa,denmark,germany due to, existence of immigrant populations in those countries from indo-pak and arab countries. insofar as phillipines and egypt this phenomena doesn&#8217;t exist. in malaysia so some extent this exists so, there are few isolated cases!!!</p>
<p>take care!</p>
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		<title>By: kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20274</link>
		<dc:creator>kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>token incidents will happen everywhere, even NY9/11, thai, china or india. And if governance is messy, then the TOKEN incidents will spread into lasting chaos, as in afghan pak, iraq.   However if governance is SOLID, as in Malaysia Egypt or even Phillipines, then such token incidents are contained, and spread is controlled.  

The case of ISI in yr example, where isi seems to be &quot;creating death/destruction&quot;, thats  an after-the-effect clean-up attempt -  BECAUSE governance failed to contain the spread  before (and after) it was uncontrollable.  If Pak had solid governance,  then extremism would not spread,  and isi would not be &quot;creating death/destruction&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>token incidents will happen everywhere, even NY9/11, thai, china or india. And if governance is messy, then the TOKEN incidents will spread into lasting chaos, as in afghan pak, iraq.   However if governance is SOLID, as in Malaysia Egypt or even Phillipines, then such token incidents are contained, and spread is controlled.  </p>
<p>The case of ISI in yr example, where isi seems to be &#8220;creating death/destruction&#8221;, thats  an after-the-effect clean-up attempt &#8211;  BECAUSE governance failed to contain the spread  before (and after) it was uncontrollable.  If Pak had solid governance,  then extremism would not spread,  and isi would not be &#8220;creating death/destruction&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Devils Talk</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20270</link>
		<dc:creator>Devils Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We not only should worried about the present of these outsider extremists, we also should worry about the involvement of BD ppl who were brainwashed by these culprits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We not only should worried about the present of these outsider extremists, we also should worry about the involvement of BD ppl who were brainwashed by these culprits.</p>
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		<title>By: maysoon</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20262</link>
		<dc:creator>maysoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi kgazi,

why only; pak,afghan,syria,iraq wht abt; india/bombay 2008, ussr now russia (1/15 of defunct ussr) eastern european countries,thailand you name it for the cia its panta baath &amp; eeleesh!!! wht about 2001 usa&#039;s 9/11 &amp; uk&#039;s 7/7 of 2008 taliban &amp;/or al-qaeda&#039;s mentors are not both; isi &amp; cia??? 

so, change or dynamics are of academic statistics when the enemy is bent on causing; bloodshed &amp; utmost destruction!!! you still crave for proof open any channel the news of pak &amp;/or afghan &amp; you will wittness death/destruction bottom line of which is; by isi or against isi!!!

take care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi kgazi,</p>
<p>why only; pak,afghan,syria,iraq wht abt; india/bombay 2008, ussr now russia (1/15 of defunct ussr) eastern european countries,thailand you name it for the cia its panta baath &amp; eeleesh!!! wht about 2001 usa&#8217;s 9/11 &amp; uk&#8217;s 7/7 of 2008 taliban &amp;/or al-qaeda&#8217;s mentors are not both; isi &amp; cia??? </p>
<p>so, change or dynamics are of academic statistics when the enemy is bent on causing; bloodshed &amp; utmost destruction!!! you still crave for proof open any channel the news of pak &amp;/or afghan &amp; you will wittness death/destruction bottom line of which is; by isi or against isi!!!</p>
<p>take care!</p>
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		<title>By: kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20260</link>
		<dc:creator>kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi maysoon/putool,
but you are right :),  and as we see very clearly, its only in those nations where governance is worrisome (like afghan, pak, syria, iraq)  that ISI-CIA type king-making is feasible.  

This is why, if we need to worry LESS @ such king-making, then BD governance needs to scale-up above the standards of pak-afghan-iraq levels, so that ISI-CIA cannot setup tent here.  But has BD governance standards,  in terms of law&amp;order and crime-prevention, improved at all since 1971 (Pakistani standards)??   I would say NO,  and that needs to change,  inorder to prevent CIA_ISI  settling here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi maysoon/putool,<br />
but you are right <img src='http://unheardvoice.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ,  and as we see very clearly, its only in those nations where governance is worrisome (like afghan, pak, syria, iraq)  that ISI-CIA type king-making is feasible.  </p>
<p>This is why, if we need to worry LESS @ such king-making, then BD governance needs to scale-up above the standards of pak-afghan-iraq levels, so that ISI-CIA cannot setup tent here.  But has BD governance standards,  in terms of law&amp;order and crime-prevention, improved at all since 1971 (Pakistani standards)??   I would say NO,  and that needs to change,  inorder to prevent CIA_ISI  settling here.</p>
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		<title>By: maysoon</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20258</link>
		<dc:creator>maysoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi mohd,

you veritably answered to your own question abt treachery you raised in ur 1st paragraph vide ur last para, by questioning &quot;Treachery?&quot; its a bit of everything!!! recall mata hari??? or many such double agents??? when they are caught they are hanged or face the firing squad - as traitors, if not caught they melt into unmarked graves as unsung heros/heroines!!!

kgazi ric  :: insofar as isi is concerned like its mentor the cia its both; the mother &amp; the father of creating/the king makers of terrorist organizations with their ultra secret budgets of trade,commerce &amp; industries worth in billions!!! do criticize me again how i&#039;m so wrong!!!

take care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi mohd,</p>
<p>you veritably answered to your own question abt treachery you raised in ur 1st paragraph vide ur last para, by questioning &#8220;Treachery?&#8221; its a bit of everything!!! recall mata hari??? or many such double agents??? when they are caught they are hanged or face the firing squad &#8211; as traitors, if not caught they melt into unmarked graves as unsung heros/heroines!!!</p>
<p>kgazi ric  :: insofar as isi is concerned like its mentor the cia its both; the mother &amp; the father of creating/the king makers of terrorist organizations with their ultra secret budgets of trade,commerce &amp; industries worth in billions!!! do criticize me again how i&#8217;m so wrong!!!</p>
<p>take care!</p>
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		<title>By: Akash</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20257</link>
		<dc:creator>Akash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are neither conversant with the political history of Bangladesh nor with the militarization of the country, and how parallel forces were allowed to run amok by certain government.  The naive equation of the two leaders prove that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are neither conversant with the political history of Bangladesh nor with the militarization of the country, and how parallel forces were allowed to run amok by certain government.  The naive equation of the two leaders prove that.</p>
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		<title>By: a arzu</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20256</link>
		<dc:creator>a arzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They get their power from Your Khaleda and Hasina, whoever is in power uses them to harass the opposition and instill fear among their opponents. They are the tools of our so called democratic leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They get their power from Your Khaleda and Hasina, whoever is in power uses them to harass the opposition and instill fear among their opponents. They are the tools of our so called democratic leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: akash</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20253</link>
		<dc:creator>akash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question: From where does this blipping orgs like DGFI and NSI get their unbridled power.  Well, think August 15, and how we ushered in a glorious military reign after the magnanimous action of the surya santans, and how since then the Paki-inclined military or militarised parasite will not go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question: From where does this blipping orgs like DGFI and NSI get their unbridled power.  Well, think August 15, and how we ushered in a glorious military reign after the magnanimous action of the surya santans, and how since then the Paki-inclined military or militarised parasite will not go away.</p>
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		<title>By: kgazi</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20251</link>
		<dc:creator>kgazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISI is not technically a terrorist org, like LeT etc, but more like CIA  or RAW.   ISI is the  national intel org of Pak.   The problem is ISI, CIA RAW are all connected, and right now CIA is funding millions to ISI,  and treating ISI like a friend!! 

Read:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia-pakistan15-2009nov15,0,7760987,full.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISI is not technically a terrorist org, like LeT etc, but more like CIA  or RAW.   ISI is the  national intel org of Pak.   The problem is ISI, CIA RAW are all connected, and right now CIA is funding millions to ISI,  and treating ISI like a friend!! </p>
<p>Read:<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia-pakistan15-2009nov15,0,7760987,full.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia-pakistan15-2009nov15,0,7760987,full.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mohammad</title>
		<link>http://unheardvoice.net/blog/2009/11/15/how-worried-should-we-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maysoon , 

&quot;If these NSI &amp; DGFI are both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation as you so write, why then spend in billions to run these monkey businesses, for stabbing the back of our nation??? &quot;  Valid question but where have you found that I have written &quot; both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation &quot; ?

 What I wanted to get at is infiltrating enemy lines, counter intelligence, counter espionage or counter-counter intellenge are pretty common in the world scene. It&#039;s used as a tool to combat enemy. Like the Srilankan forces finally succeeded in infiltrating LTTE front line. It&#039;s an Open secret that ISI, RAW , CIA , MOSSAD etc are active in Bangladesh. It&#039;s not unlikely that they have infiltrated , penetrated our political and security communities. The success of War against the militants depends on our counter measures based on usable information on their modus operandi ! We need to know how they operate. A very old saying goes like that, it&#039;s difficult to  keep a guard on a thief because the thief is keeping eyes on you ! Failure to infiltrate militants will help them grow. 

Politicization of security and intelligence communities remain a major concern for the country. Whole set up of these intelligence agencies are replaced with the change of government. The process disrupts the continuity of intelligence data collection and implementation. At times the data is lost. Dramatic  changes of objectives and goals happens overnight. The whole state machinery is used for staying in power or for political gains. Take for example Aug 15. Is it a mere intelligence failure ? What about command failure ? A major  political failure ? Treachery ? It&#039;s bit of everything . Poor intelligence data is of no use. And for Quality intelligence we need professional set up free of poor and maligned  political agenda. Our Honourable President has just pulled a fast one on our judicial process. Delivery of Justice is in question now. This is what the reality is, this is what our political culture is. If the same culture continues to prevail it will only promote growth of militants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maysoon , </p>
<p>&#8220;If these NSI &amp; DGFI are both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation as you so write, why then spend in billions to run these monkey businesses, for stabbing the back of our nation??? &#8221;  Valid question but where have you found that I have written &#8221; both indulging in bloody treachery against our beloved nation &#8221; ?</p>
<p> What I wanted to get at is infiltrating enemy lines, counter intelligence, counter espionage or counter-counter intellenge are pretty common in the world scene. It&#8217;s used as a tool to combat enemy. Like the Srilankan forces finally succeeded in infiltrating LTTE front line. It&#8217;s an Open secret that ISI, RAW , CIA , MOSSAD etc are active in Bangladesh. It&#8217;s not unlikely that they have infiltrated , penetrated our political and security communities. The success of War against the militants depends on our counter measures based on usable information on their modus operandi ! We need to know how they operate. A very old saying goes like that, it&#8217;s difficult to  keep a guard on a thief because the thief is keeping eyes on you ! Failure to infiltrate militants will help them grow. </p>
<p>Politicization of security and intelligence communities remain a major concern for the country. Whole set up of these intelligence agencies are replaced with the change of government. The process disrupts the continuity of intelligence data collection and implementation. At times the data is lost. Dramatic  changes of objectives and goals happens overnight. The whole state machinery is used for staying in power or for political gains. Take for example Aug 15. Is it a mere intelligence failure ? What about command failure ? A major  political failure ? Treachery ? It&#8217;s bit of everything . Poor intelligence data is of no use. And for Quality intelligence we need professional set up free of poor and maligned  political agenda. Our Honourable President has just pulled a fast one on our judicial process. Delivery of Justice is in question now. This is what the reality is, this is what our political culture is. If the same culture continues to prevail it will only promote growth of militants.</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fugstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeT and whotnot could be said to have been operating in a backwards linkage sort of way since the Afghan Jihad.

some of this recent criminal stuff will be from the rubbisher end of those networks. , the better part of the history of which many redblooded muslims in bangladesh are proud. No, i don&#039;t think its about a particular government letting them in. 

Bangladeshis voted away from westoxification after 11/9/2001. Bush prosecuted wars against two predominantly muslim countries that were already on their knees. Bangladesh the nation state stood there like it does, generally weakly and with a begging bowl (and siphon).

so of course there would be religio-political frustration. especially by those who do not define their status by suckling on white power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeT and whotnot could be said to have been operating in a backwards linkage sort of way since the Afghan Jihad.</p>
<p>some of this recent criminal stuff will be from the rubbisher end of those networks. , the better part of the history of which many redblooded muslims in bangladesh are proud. No, i don&#8217;t think its about a particular government letting them in. </p>
<p>Bangladeshis voted away from westoxification after 11/9/2001. Bush prosecuted wars against two predominantly muslim countries that were already on their knees. Bangladesh the nation state stood there like it does, generally weakly and with a begging bowl (and siphon).</p>
<p>so of course there would be religio-political frustration. especially by those who do not define their status by suckling on white power.</p>
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		<title>By: banglababa</title>
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		<dc:creator>banglababa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how would you expect to find anything given the fact that character like Babor was our intelligence chief for the better part of the 21st century!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how would you expect to find anything given the fact that character like Babor was our intelligence chief for the better part of the 21st century!</p>
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		<title>By: banglababa</title>
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		<dc:creator>banglababa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, my mistake :   I mean to say  &quot;How&quot; concerning the ISI menace has become!  The bleeping &quot;***&quot; indicates that this is still  a very classified operation not yet been disclosed to the public. I&#039;ll keep you inform as more info become available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, my mistake :   I mean to say  &#8220;How&#8221; concerning the ISI menace has become!  The bleeping &#8220;***&#8221; indicates that this is still  a very classified operation not yet been disclosed to the public. I&#8217;ll keep you inform as more info become available.</p>
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